The claim you are answering
Jews aren't really from there. Ashkenazi Jews are European converts, descended from the Khazars, and the DNA proves it.
This page answers it below. A line you can say, the facts under it, and the sources, so you can cite them rather than assert them.
The short answer. Say this
In 2013 a genome study compared 1,774 people from 106 populations, 261 of them from the Caucasus. Ashkenazi Jews came out closest to other Jews, not to anyone in the Caucasus. They looked, with the samples to find it, and it is not in the data.
If you say nothing else, say one of these
On the claim: Jews aren't really from there. Ashkenazi Jews are European converts, descended from the Khazars, and the DNA proves it.
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The 2013 Khazar paper used Armenians and Georgians as proxies for Khazars. No population is known to descend from Khazars.
It is the specific objection thirty geneticists made in print. It concedes nothing about whether the Khazars existed, which is why it holds.
Behar and others, No Evidence from Genome-Wide Data of a Khazar Origin for the Ashkenazi Jews, Human Biology 85(6), 2013
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The paper putting most Ashkenazi maternal lines in prehistoric Europe found almost none from the North Caucasus, and Near Eastern paternal ancestry.
It is their own best source, read properly. Concede the European maternal finding in the same breath and the concession is what makes it land.
Costa and others, A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages, Nature Communications 4, 2013
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Thirty-three Jews buried at Erfurt in the 1300s were sequenced. Middle Eastern, southern European, eastern European. Modern Ashkenazi Jews are their close match.
Ancient DNA, not inference from living people. The three sources are stated openly, so nobody can accuse you of hiding the European half.
Waldman and others, Genome-wide data from medieval German Jews, Cell 185(25), 30 November 2022
The fuller answer
Population genetics answered this one in public, in journals with no stake in the fight. Every Jewish community anybody has tested carries a Middle Eastern component: Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, all of them. Ashkenazi Jews come out closer to other Jewish communities than to the Poles and Germans they lived beside for centuries. You can hold this ground with an evening and a search engine. That is unusual on this subject, and it is why the argument is worth having rather than swerving.
Two entries here do different halves of the job, and reaching for the wrong one wastes the exchange. This page is about descent, and it argues from genomes. The ancient connection is about the land, and it argues from prayer books, Ottoman tax registers and archaeology. If the sentence coming at you is that the attachment to the place was manufactured in the nineteenth century, go there. If it is that the people came from somewhere else entirely, you are in the right place.
The serious version, and the thing wearing its clothes
Concede the pedigree first. It costs nothing and it changes how the next ten minutes go.
This was not cooked up as propaganda. A historian at the Hebrew University proposed it in 1944. It reached millions through Arthur Koestler, whose The Thirteenth Tribe appeared in 1976, and Koestler’s own motive is the part nobody mentions. His biographers record that he believed proving eastern European Jews were Khazars would remove the racial basis of antisemitism, and so remove antisemitism.
It did the opposite. Academic reviewers took the book apart within months, one of Koestler’s biographers later calling it risible as scholarship. Neo-Nazi magazines greeted it as the political bombshell of the century. The Christian Identity movement adopted it as their primary source and sold it by mail order.
That is the fork. One branch is a genuine question about the ethnogenesis of a population, still argued in journals. The other is the Khazarian mafia meme, which says a hidden people is impersonating another, and which is the replacement conspiracy with different costumes. Work out which one is in front of you before you answer, because the same facts do different jobs against each.
Grant the Khazars, all of them
The khaganate was real. It sat north of the Caucasus from roughly 650 to 969. Its ruling class is widely held to have adopted rabbinic Judaism in the eighth century. Two medieval texts describe that, the Khazar Correspondence and the Schechter Letter.
A Hebrew University historian went back through those sources in 2013 and concluded that the conversion never happened at all. That is a real paper in a real journal and it is a minority position. Do not build on it.
Grant the conversion instead. Grant that Judaism has taken in converts throughout its history, which is a fact about the religion and not a charge against it.
None of it touches the question. Whether a khaganate existed is not in dispute. What is in dispute is whether the Jews of Warsaw and Vilna descend from it, and that is a question about genomes.
What the genomes say
Four studies, and the fourth is the one to lead with in a hostile room.
Y-chromosome work published in 2000 tested 1,371 men from 29 populations, including 336 Jewish men from seven communities. The Jewish communities clustered tightly together, pointing to a common Middle Eastern source population. A 2010 genome-wide study of fourteen Jewish diaspora communities against 69 non-Jewish populations traced the origins of most of them to the Levant. Another that year found each of seven Jewish populations forming its own cluster while sharing Middle Eastern ancestry. Palestinians, Bedouin and Druze came out among the closest non-Jewish relatives.
Then the 2013 study built to answer the Khazar question directly. It assembled 1,774 individuals from 106 populations. Crucially it went and got the samples that had been missing: 261 of them, from fifteen Caucasus and northern populations, none of which had been used in this argument before. The finding was flat. No particular similarity of Ashkenazi Jews to populations from the Caucasus, and their greatest shared ancestry is with other Jews.
Thirty geneticists signed that. It is the answer to the paper, not an opinion about it.
The concession, which is the sharpest thing on this page
Ashkenazi genomes are not overwhelmingly Levantine. Say otherwise and the first person in the room who has read the papers takes you apart.
One careful 2017 estimate puts Ashkenazi ancestry at roughly 53 per cent European against 47 per cent Middle Eastern. Southern Europe is the dominant European source. The maternal side goes further. A 2013 study argued that around 81 per cent of Ashkenazi maternal lineages have a European source, the four major founder lineages included. That is disputed, and it is not resolved.
Say it first. Say it before they do.
Then use it, because that paper is their best source and it does not say what they need. It found almost no maternal ancestry from the North Caucasus, which is precisely what the Khazar hypothesis predicts. And it puts the male line the other way, predominantly Near Eastern. The Y-chromosome work supports that, estimating European contribution to Ashkenazi men at 13 to 23 per cent.
Read the two sides together and a picture falls out that nobody designed as advocacy. Levantine men, European wives, over centuries, in Europe. That is what a diaspora looks like in the data. It is also why thirty-three Jews buried at Erfurt in the 1300s come out as a close match for Ashkenazi Jews today.
Where this backfires. Delivered as a list of percentages it sounds like somebody defending a pedigree, which is a losing posture whatever the numbers say. Two figures, then move on.
Why the Khazar paper does not carry it
The objection is technical and it is short, so you can carry it.
There was no Khazar DNA. No population is known to descend from the Khazars, and no ancient Khazar genome was available to compare against. So the 2013 paper used modern Armenians and Georgians as stand-ins for Khazars, and Palestinians as stand-ins for ancient Israelites. Everything it reports about Khazar ancestry rests on those two substitutions being right.
A later method by the same author drew a separate critique in 2016. It compresses about 100,000 genotypes down to nine components and works from 26 reference populations. On people of mixed ancestry it returns roughly the midpoint between the parental sources rather than an origin. Some of its outputs land in open sea.
Be fair about the man. He published in a peer-reviewed journal, and he has said his interest was medical, improving disease studies that assume a homogeneous population. He is entitled to be answered rather than accused. He was answered.
“You are not real Semites anyway”
Different move, different answer, and the word is ours before it is theirs.
Semitic is a label for a family of languages. It was coined by German scholars in 1781, from the name Shem, and it covers Arabic, Amharic, Tigrinya, Aramaic, Maltese and Hebrew. It has never named a race, a bloodline or a region.
Antisemitism was coined a century later, in Germany, in 1879, by a man who founded a League of Antisemites. Wilhelm Marr picked the new word over the ordinary German Judenhass precisely because it sounded racial and scientific rather than religious. It meant hatred of Jews on the day it was invented. It has never meant anything else.
Now name the move rather than arguing the etymology further. This is a claim that a compound word means the sum of its parts, and it gets applied to exactly one word.
Then step past it, because the word game has arrived in place of an argument. Even if every Ashkenazi Jew were Turkic to the last chromosome, it would say nothing whatever about the Jews of Baghdad, Sana’a, Casablanca and Gondar. The Khazar claim was never about them, and they are the largest bloc of Israeli Jews.
Then ask what the answer is for
You have now won a factual argument. Take one more step, because winning this one on its own terms costs something.
Nobody asks a Frenchman for a genome. This question is put to one people, and answering it politely, every time, concedes the premise underneath it: that ancestry decides who may live where.
So put the burden back. If the test came back the way they want, what happens next? Who leaves? Where do they go, and who moves them?
A position that would dissolve a state on genetic grounds owes a description of what follows, and it is almost never asked for one.
That question protects you from your own evidence as well. A world that hands out countries by genome is not one anybody is campaigning for. Saying so out loud is what stops this page being turned against the thing it defends. The legal and moral case for the state does not run through anybody’s DNA. It runs through why the state exists.
The lines
Take the shape, not the wording.
Somebody went and looked. 1,774 people, 261 of them from the Caucasus. Ashkenazi Jews came out closest to other Jews.
That paper used Armenians and Georgians as stand-ins for Khazars, because nobody knows who the Khazars’ descendants are.
Yes, Ashkenazi genomes are roughly half European. Levantine men, European wives, centuries of it. That’s a diaspora, not a conversion.
The maternal study they quote also found almost nothing from the North Caucasus, which is the one thing the Khazar theory needs.
Grant me the Khazars entirely. Now tell me how that touches the Jews of Baghdad, Sana’a and Casablanca.
If the DNA came back the way you want, what happens next? Who leaves?
Before somebody says this to you
Two sentences with a real day in them.
Action. “On Wednesday evening I will read the abstract of the 2013 Human Biology paper and the abstract of the 2017 PLOS Genetics one, and write three numbers on a card: 1,774 people, 261 Caucasus samples, 53 per cent European.”
Coping. “If somebody quotes the European admixture at me, I will agree with the figure before I answer it, say Levantine men and European wives, and then ask what happens next if they are right.”
Where this comes from
The route from seminar to slogan is documented and worth knowing. Abraham Poliak, at the Hebrew University, proposed in 1944 that the Khazars were the demographic base of eastern European Jewry. Arthur Koestler carried it to a mass readership in The Thirteenth Tribe, published by Hutchinson in 1976, and his biographers record the motive: he thought that proving eastern European Jews were Khazars would remove the racial basis of antisemitism and so remove antisemitism. Academic reviewers rejected the book almost at once, one of his own biographers later calling it risible as scholarship. Neo-Nazi magazines greeted it as the political bombshell of the century, and the Christian Identity movement made it their primary source and sold it by mail order. Eran Elhaik revived the genetic argument in 2013 and was answered in the literature the same year. What circulates now, as the Khazarian mafia, has left all of that behind and is a conspiracy theory about a hidden impostor people.
Evidence
Primary sources, so you can cite them rather than asserting this on our authority.
- The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses, Eran Elhaik, pages 61 to 74. Reports eastern European Jews as about 32 per cent Near Eastern and Caucasus, 30 per cent western European, 25 per cent Middle Eastern and 12 per cent eastern European, and locates the biogeographical origin in southern Khazaria.
Genome Biology and Evolution, volume 5, issue 1 · 1 January 2013 - No Evidence from Genome-Wide Data of a Khazar Origin for the Ashkenazi Jews, Behar and 29 co-authors. 1,774 individuals from 106 populations, including 261 samples from 15 Caucasus and northern populations not previously used. No particular similarity of Ashkenazi Jews with populations from the Caucasus is evident. Ashkenazi Jews share the greatest genetic ancestry with other Jewish populations.
Human Biology, volume 85, issue 6 · 1 December 2013 - Pitfalls of the Geographic Population Structure (GPS) Approach Applied to Human Genetic History: A Case Study of Ashkenazi Jews, Flegontov and others, pages 2259 to 2265. GPS reduces about 100,000 genotypes to nine admixture components, uses 26 reference populations, and on admixed individuals returns a weighted midpoint between parental sources. No ancient Khazar DNA was available for comparison. The idea that the Khazars directly contributed to Ashkenazi ancestry is currently abandoned by practically all historians and linguists.
Genome Biology and Evolution, volume 8, issue 7 · 1 July 2016 - Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes, Hammer and others, pages 6769 to 6774. 1,371 males from 29 populations, including 336 Jewish men from seven communities. Jewish communities cluster tightly, indicating a common Middle Eastern source population. European Y-chromosome contribution to Ashkenazi Jews estimated at about 13 to 23 per cent.
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, volume 97, issue 12 · 9 May 2000 - Abraham's Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry, Atzmon and others, pages 850 to 859. 237 individuals from seven Jewish populations, Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian, Ashkenazi, Italian, Greek and Turkish. Each forms its own cluster with shared Middle Eastern ancestry. Palestinian, Bedouin and Druze populations cluster closest.
The American Journal of Human Genetics, volume 86, issue 6 · 11 June 2010 - The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people, Behar and others, pages 238 to 242. 14 Jewish diaspora communities against 69 non-Jewish Old World populations. Most Jewish diaspora samples cluster with Druze and Cypriot samples, tracing the origins of most Jewish diaspora communities to the Levant.
Nature, volume 466, issue 7303 · 8 July 2010 - A substantial prehistoric European ancestry amongst Ashkenazi maternal lineages, Costa and others. The four major founders account for about 49 per cent of Ashkenazi maternal lineages, argued to have been assimilated in western and central Europe. About 81 per cent of Ashkenazi lineages assigned a European source. On the male side there may have been a significant Near Eastern component, while the maternal lineages mainly trace back to prehistoric western Europe. Almost none for a source in the North Caucasus, as would be predicted by the Khazar hypothesis.
Nature Communications, volume 4, article 2543 · 8 October 2013 - The time and place of European admixture in Ashkenazi Jewish history, Xue, Lencz, Darvasi, Pe'er and Carmi. Local ancestry inference gives roughly 53 per cent European and 47 per cent Middle Eastern ancestry. Southern Europe is the dominant source of European gene flow, at about 34 per cent of total ancestry, with western and eastern Europe about 8 per cent each. Admixture dated to roughly 24 to 49 generations ago.
PLOS Genetics · 4 April 2017 - Genome-wide data from medieval German Jews show that the Ashkenazi founder event pre-dated the 14th century, Waldman and others, pages 4703 to 4716. Genome-wide data passing quality control for 33 individuals from the fourteenth-century Jewish cemetery at Erfurt, 19 female and 14 male. Modelled from southern European, Middle Eastern and eastern European sources. Genetically similar to modern Ashkenazi Jews.
Cell, volume 185, issue 25 · 30 November 2022 - Did the Khazars Convert to Judaism?, Shaul Stampfer, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, pages 1 to 72. Concludes from textual, numismatic and archaeological evidence that the conversion never took place. Summarised by the Hebrew University, 26 June 2014. A minority position.
Jewish Social Studies, volume 19, issue 3 · 1 January 2013 - Highlight: Out of Khazaria, Evidence for "Jewish Genome" Lacking, Danielle Venton, on the reception of Elhaik's paper and his stated medical motivation for the work.
Genome Biology and Evolution · 16 January 2013 - The Thirteenth Tribe, Arthur Koestler, Hutchinson, 1976. Biographer Michael Scammell on Koestler's belief that proving Khazar descent would remove the racial basis of antisemitism. David Cesarani calling it risible as scholarship. Adoption by neo-Nazi magazines and by the Christian Identity movement.
Wikipedia - Untangling False Claims About Ashkenazi Jews, Khazars and Israel, On the contemporary weaponising of the Khazar claim on social media, and on the 2013 Human Biology rebuttal.
Anti-Defamation League · 28 February 2024 - Khazars, Khaganate dated about 650 to 969. Ruling elite held to have converted to rabbinic Judaism in the eighth century, with the scope of conversion within the khanate uncertain. Khazar Correspondence and Schechter Letter as primary evidence. Most scholars view the Ashkenazi descent theory with considerable scepticism.
Wikipedia - Wilhelm Marr, Marr, 1819 to 1904. Published The Victory of Judaism over Germandom in 1879 and founded the League of Antisemites, which introduced the word antisemite into the political lexicon. He chose the term over the German Judenhass to stress racial rather than religious characteristics.
Jewish Virtual Library - Semitic languages, The term coined by the Gottingen school, first by August Ludwig von Schlozer in 1781, from Shem, and popularised by Johann Gottfried Eichhorn in 1795. Covers Arabic, Amharic, Tigrinya, Aramaic, Hebrew, Maltese and the Modern South Arabian languages.
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